cheney and his best buds maher, kucinich, and hersh August 17, 2007Posted by KG in iraq, news, politics, terrorism.
what a prescient dick.
by blog standards this is old news now but let’s just put cheney’s time-capsule moment in perspective.
if there was some kind of time-warp and seymour hersh, bill maher, and dennis kucinich were to have lunch with ’94 dick, they all might be able to agree on something
what follows is their cordial tea and crumpets discussion:
lynne asks if the boys want any lemonade…they all decline, except for dennis…she pours him a full glass and exits the patio…what follows is their spirited discussion as dennis sips away (pay no attention to the apparent disjointed nature of their conversation and the fact that they don’t really seem to be speaking to each other…minor details really)
dick: “Q: Do you think the U.S., or U.N. forces, should have moved into Baghdad?
Q: Why not?
A: Because if we’d gone to Baghdad we would have been all alone. There wouldn’t have been anybody else with us. There would have been a U.S. occupation of Iraq. None of the Arab forces that were willing to fight with us in Kuwait were willing to invade Iraq.
Once you got to Iraq and took it over, took down Saddam Hussein’s government, then what are you going to put in its place? That’s a very volatile part of the world, and if you take down the central government of Iraq, you could very easily end up seeing pieces of Iraq fly off: part of it, the Syrians would like to have to the west, part of it — eastern Iraq — the Iranians would like to claim, they fought over it for eight years. In the north you’ve got the Kurds, and if the Kurds spin loose and join with the Kurds in Turkey, then you threaten the territorial integrity of Turkey.
It’s a quagmire if you go that far and try to take over Iraq.
The other thing was casualties. Everyone was impressed with the fact we were able to do our job with as few casualties as we had. But for the 146 Americans killed in action, and for their families — it wasn’t a cheap war. And the question for the president, in terms of whether or not we went on to Baghdad, took additional casualties in an effort to get Saddam Hussein, was how many additional dead Americans is Saddam worth?
Our judgment was, not very many, and I think we got it right.”
bill: “July was the deadliest month ever in Iraq. More than 3,000 Iraqis died violent deaths. Or as Maliki said, “The violence is not increasing…. No, we’re not in a civil war. In Iraq, we’ll never be in civil war. What you see is an atmosphere of reconciliation.” Baghdad Bob couldn’t have said it better.
Or let’s get even more detached. Here’s Bush from his press conference last week: “You know, I hear people say, Well, civil war this, civil war that. The Iraqi people decided against civil war when they went to the ballot box.”
It’s sort of like saying, “The people of New Orleans know that the federal government loves poor black people.” Because something has happened since then that makes you look, I don’t know, out of touch now.”
dennis: “The war in Iraq is over and the occupation of Iraq has turned into a quagmire. The US troops have become the targets of criminals and terrorists who are flowing into Iraq for the chance to shoot Americans…The US is stuck, mostly alone, with a costly, unpopular and unending occupation of Iraq.”
seymour: “There are two options. One is everybody out by midnight tonight, and the second option is everybody out by midnight tomorrow. I don’t think it’s cutting and running, I think it’s getting out. Two years ago, I was pretty sure that the 200-octane fuel that was driving the “insurgency” was us, and the faster we get out, the better. The country was not terribly sectarian before we got on the premises. The Sunnis and the Shi’ites intermarried, many tribes are 50-50. We’ve fostered a great deal of sectarian work. Even the awful, evil Saddam, by the mid-1990s, began to put all kind of Shia into the senior officer corps, in an effort to make it less dominated by the Sunnis. I’m no longer sure who the insurgency is. It’s all so screwed up. If I lived in a country and a bunch of people came in and started raiding my house, and capturing people and killing willy-nilly, I think I would take up arms against those people. Am I an insurgent then? Are the insurgents insurgents or are the Americans insurgents? I think the whole nomenclature is bizarre. We’re the insurgents. It’s their country. It’s a disaster. It’s been a civil war for a year.”